The way we use money is changing all the time, and Glint Pay is helping to transform the market by letting users pay with gold. Ben Davies explains what Glint is about.
Gold as an investment has always been contentious, but what about as an electronic currency?
Glint allows you to do just that, making regular payments, moving money between different cash ‘wallets’ and transferring money to contacts.
loveMONEY speaks to co-founder Ben Davies to find out what Glint is all about.
“Gold was once money – it has all the features and remits of a stable currency. It was the universal currency because it was a constant.
“It also stores well – that’s one of the most compelling arguments.”
How does Glint work, then?
“We hold physical gold by getting the money that you’ve paid and putting it into a physical wallet. You transfer that into a bank account and purchase gold which you effectively own.
“In your wallet you can have physical gold and some other currencies. You have a sterling wallet and a gold wallet and you can transfer cash between them. The card can be used for payments anywhere with the Mastercard logo.
“On top of that, there’s the option of doing bank transfers or debit card transfers with no size limit.
“It’s only on iOS but we’ll be on Android within the next two and a half months. You can register on the website now.”
What about the fees?
“You’ll be charged 0.5% to buy and to sell the gold. There’s also a 0.5% fee for spending.
“That means for any transaction relating to gold totalling £1,000 for instance, you’d be forking out a fiver.”
What kind of guarantees are in place?
“The gold is held in Brink’s in Zurich, Switzerland and it’s 100% guaranteed by Lloyds of London and Brink’s – the latter has custodial insurance with Lloyds.
“If the company were ever to lose a bar, it’d be out of business. That pertains to the agreement we have with our bar list – call it $50 million, as an example. We would have a client list that adds up to $50 million in gold that matches that list.
“As part of our legal structure, we confer all property rights to the individual so that in the event of our default, the gold is still legally owned by you.”
What about fraud protection?
“If you spend over a certain amount on your card in a day, you’ll get a system alert. We need to be careful about fraud – in fact, we need to do more than the banks do.
“You’d be amazed at the number of people who open up accounts like this to try to do something fraudulent. We’ve got transaction monitoring systems to combat it.
“Largely, the risks are no different than any bank, such as the classic money laundering. Or they’ll buy some gold, sell it then try and withdraw it. They’ll always get frozen and their accounts automatically shut down.
“For security reasons you can block the card in-app, accessing it with biometric fingerprint identification when you need to.”
Hasn’t gold historically been volatile?
“Half of the volatility in gold is from the underlying volatility of money. In the last 15 years, the periods where gold has gone up the most have been when there is a deflationary contraction in the dollar.
“In any given day, gold feels like it’s going up and down. Stock markets go up and down by 3-4% and that’s an asset class.”
What’s in it for travellers?
“A traveller can save themselves 5% forex fee by using Glint.
“After Brexit, the pound fell 25% against the dollar. In sterling terms, gold went up in value. If I go to Europe, my gold has effectively kept pace with the euro. Companies often charge twice our rate of 0.5%.
“Over the course of the next few months, we’ll have 17 settlement currencies.”
Some people have compared Glint to Goldmoney. How would you say the two platforms differ?
“Goldmoney did a good job of improving the mindset of using gold as money.
“What it hasn’t been able to do is provide liquidity on gold. When I buy something, it deducts in real time like a bank card.
“Goldmoney has a preloaded card so things take longer. You’d have to have the gold and move it, which could take one or two days and doesn’t achieve the objective of keeping you in gold at all times.”